00:00:05:02 00:00:08:06 "Sucumbíos", Ecuador, Amazon Rainforest. 00:00:09:12 00:00:13:28 Catholic Sucumbios priest expelled by the Vatican 00:00:16:32 00:00:18:06 Good afternoon. 00:00:18:46 00:00:21:32 -We want to say goodbye. - Oh, but why? 00:00:21:38 00:00:24:28 Because we have been expelled from here. 00:00:24:46 00:00:26:26 What s the reason? 00:00:26:32 00:00:31:14 For being revolutionaries, rebellious, agitators. 00:00:34:40 00:00:36:06 Now, it s all right. The machine is working. 00:00:36:20 00:00:41:08 Catholic priests expelled from Sucumbios by the Vatican 00:00:41:45 00:00:46:30 Finally, I'd like to say that the Church has a really big problem. 00:00:46:44 00:00:49:06 I'm talking about the Church as an institution. 00:00:49:28 00:00:53:06 And, it is that they are afraid of Jesus. 00:02:18:18 00:02:23:00 Good evening. On May 24th Monsignor Gonzalo Lopez Marañon, 00:02:23:08 00:02:28:06 77-year-old Carmelite ex-bishop started a fast. 00:02:28:12 00:02:32:10 Fast that has last more than three weeks in a park in Quito. 00:02:32:16 00:02:34:04 Let s watch the video. 00:02:35:20 00:02:38:06 Sucumbios is relatively new and controversial province in Ecuador. 00:02:38:12 00:02:41:40 It borders Colombia and it is rich in oil. 00:02:41:44 00:02:45:00 The capital, Lago Agrio, was founded just 32 years ago. 00:02:45:06 00:02:47:40 It was named after the first oil well in the region. 00:02:47:47 00:02:51:32 Originally controlled by the american company  TEXACO 00:02:51:38 00:02:55:08 The local church headed by Monsignor Gonzalo Lopez and a group of Carmelites... 00:02:55:22 00:02:57:30 led the fight of that emerging society... 00:02:57:36 00:03:00:28 to make Sucumbios a decent place to live. 00:03:00:42 00:03:04:06 The priests did not hesitate to get involved no matter the consequences. 00:03:04:14 00:03:07:38 They defended human and environmental rights 00:03:07:44 00:03:09:30 in all sorts of struggles. 00:03:09:38 00:03:13:00 Namely, they faced military groups, big companies... 00:03:13:04 00:03:14:16 and even the government of the country. 00:03:14:26 00:03:16:44 We can't tell a family 00:03:17:00 00:03:19:32 whose children are starving to death. 00:03:19:38 00:03:22:10 that they will be healed by praying. 00:03:22:16 00:03:23:42 No... We have to give them something to eat. 00:03:23:46 00:03:28:30 After 40 years working, the bishop Gonzalo received a letter from the Vatican. 00:03:28:40 00:03:30:30 They thanked him for his work. 00:03:30:30 00:03:32:38 However, they asked him to leave the region as soon as possible 00:03:32:42 00:03:34:26 to come to his homeland. 00:03:34:30 00:03:37:32 "Anyway, I have to admit, as it was confirmed... 00:03:37:36 00:03:39:28 in the recent apostolic visit... 00:03:39:32 00:03:42:04 that the pastoral view that you preached... 00:03:42:12 00:03:46:08 was not always conforming to the official demands of the Church." 00:03:46:14 00:03:48:38 I've been called 'red', leftish 00:03:48:44 00:03:53:04 I tried to follow Jesus being a bishop. 00:03:53:08 00:03:58:08 After the dismissal of Monsignor Gonzalo, the Vatican decided to take drastic measures. 00:03:58:12 00:04:02:20 They designated the  Heralds of the Gospel , as administrators of the province. 00:04:02:30 00:04:06:34 They are a conservative organization that came out of the political religious movement... 00:04:06:46 00:04:08:30  Tradition, Family and Poperty . 00:04:09:02 00:04:11:46 Now there are other needs. 00:04:12:03 00:04:13:30 People are hungry for God. 00:04:13:33 00:04:15:34 This radical change in the ideological position of the local church... 00:04:15:38 00:04:17:38 did not please most of the population. 00:04:17:42 00:04:20:42 They disagreed with the appointment of the new priests. 00:04:20:48 00:04:25:14 However, a few people welcomed the new congregation with enthusiasm. 00:04:25:24 00:04:29:10 Since then, trong conflicts followed. 00:04:29:16 00:04:32:28 Eventually, the Ecuadorian government had to intercede in the conflicts. 00:04:32:38 00:04:37:38 They brought religious orders to the Amazonia that emphasize the rite 00:04:37:42 00:04:42:08 the moral fundamentalism, using the medieval style of clothing in the jungle. 00:04:42:16 00:04:45:04 And we re going to have to intervene. 00:04:45:12 00:04:47:20 In Rome, they took a Solomonic decision. 00:04:47:24 00:04:51:00 They backed down and remove the Heralds of the Gospel from the area. 00:04:51:08 00:04:55:10 But, at the same time, they also expelled all the Carmelite priests. 00:04:55:14 00:04:59:14 The former bishop, Mons Gonzalo saw how his lifetime of pastoral work was destroyed. 00:04:59:18 00:05:01:44 That's why he decided to start an indefinite hunger strike in Quito. 00:05:02:02 00:05:06:34 He is carrying out the strike as a symbol of reconciliation with Sucumbios people. 00:05:09:26 00:05:11:46 Bishop expelled by the Vatican 00:05:12:00 00:05:15:38 I did everything needed to become a priest. 00:05:15:46 00:05:21:04 And when it was time to be ordained as priest... 00:05:21:18 00:05:25:33 I told my Superior that I didn't want to be ordaine. 00:05:25:40 00:05:29:44 The congregation is composed of fathers and brothers. 00:05:29:48 00:05:35:32 Brothers were in charge of taking care of the garden and the housework. 00:05:35:46 00:05:43:20 I noticed the oppresive relationship between fathers and brothers. 00:05:44:02 00:05:47:02 And I realized that it shouldn't be like that. 00:05:47:36 00:05:51:42 Then, the Superior asked me: 'Why do you want to remain a brother?' 00:05:53:02 00:05:58:30 -'Because I want to fight against the oppression of the fathers . 00:05:59:16 00:06:04:46 'Because I don't like how you treat the brothers'. 00:06:07:22 00:06:10:30 Lago Agrio Capital of Sucumbios. 00:06:13:44 00:06:16:10 Hotel black gold 00:06:16:16 00:06:18:26 UNHCR's office. United Nations. 00:06:18:30 00:06:22:10 40% of the Ecuadorean GDP comes from Sucumbios province. 00:06:22:12 00:06:24:46 Despite being the richest province,& 00:06:25:00 00:06:28:12 it has the highest poverty rate in the country. 00:06:28:18 00:06:30:24 Deputy oil minister 00:06:30:26 00:06:33:38 The region is considered an strategic region. 00:06:33:42 00:06:36:18 In terms of both, economics and geopolitics. 00:06:36:22 00:06:38:42 Native s tribes lawyer against TEXACO. 00:06:38:44 00:06:41:28 In this region, there is a permanent confrontation 00:06:41:30 00:06:46:08 The companies and the government versus farmer communities, natives and ecosystem. 00:06:46:12 00:06:49:24 The missionaries have always sided with the& 00:06:49:36 00:06:53:44 respect of Human Rights and the ecosystem. 00:06:54:06 00:06:57:44 From my point of view, it was that respect for life & 00:06:58:08 00:07:02:20 what made the Church take the decision 00:07:02:28 00:07:06:22 of expelling them from the region. 00:07:06:34 00:07:08:08 Big mistake. 00:07:08:10 00:07:09:46 Priest expelled by the Vatican 00:07:09:48 00:07:13:18 Our presence there bothered many people. 00:07:13:20 00:07:18:12 And if you take a look at what drives the Church in Sucumbios ... 00:07:18:14 00:07:23:14 It is not the canons nor the priests& 00:07:23:18 00:07:30:02 it is the souls of the poor. 00:07:30:28 00:07:38:04 And that's a terrible surprise for the ones who plotted all this. 00:07:40:06 00:07:42:40 Episcopal Conference of Ecuador 00:07:43:16 00:07:46:08 President of the Episcopal Conference of Ecuador 00:07:46:16 00:07:49:20 Months before, there was an apostolic visit& 00:07:49:22 00:07:54:04 and I suppose that this is what caused the issue of the letter. 00:07:54:36 00:08:02:22 The Holy See has the report, you should ask them. 00:08:05:42 00:08:10:22 - But, you do have an opinion about how the Carmelites and Mons Gonzalo& 00:08:10:24 00:08:14:14 have carried their pastoral work during these years, right? 00:08:14:36 00:08:18:12 What do you thing their strengths and weaknesses were? 00:08:18:20 00:08:24:22 I don t want to critique my bishop brothers, it s not my job. 00:08:30:00 00:08:33:00 The same letter determines that the new administrator of the province ... 00:08:33:02 00:08:37:10 will have to carry out their pastoral work in a totally different way. 00:08:37:16 00:08:39:22 I was completely astonished... 00:08:39:30 00:08:42:42 when I learned who was going to be in charge of Sucumbios. 00:08:42:48 00:08:47:48 I stared at the stars until I got a hold of myself. 00:08:49:20 00:08:51:08 Heralds of the Gospel 00:08:51:10 00:08:54:26 We have three essential devotions: 00:08:54:46 00:08:56:44 To the Virgin Mary 00:08:56:48 00:09:00:28 to the Eucharist 00:09:00:46 00:09:03:42 and to the Pope. 00:09:03:48 00:09:07:38 But we are also devoted to achieving perfection& 00:09:07:42 00:09:10:00 within all spheres of life. 00:09:10:04 00:09:13:44 The previous church administration used to have a  social pastoral. 00:09:13:46 00:09:16:46 For instance, there was a Human Rights Centre. 00:09:17:02 00:09:22:34 The first thing the new admnistration did was to close this centre. 00:09:23:28 00:09:26:22 Ecuador responsable of the relations with the Vatican. 00:09:26:26 00:09:29:10 The Vatican is a political state and it makes political decisions. 00:09:29:14 00:09:31:36 We have told the Vatican& 00:09:31:40 00:09:33:40 that if they wanted to solve anything... 00:09:33:42 00:09:36:20 the Heralds of the Gospel must leave. 00:09:39:36 00:09:42:12 Now that the Heralds have left, we re fine. 00:09:42:18 00:09:45:42 We are being charged with terrorism and guerrilla fighting. 00:09:46:00 00:09:48:22 All because we put up a fight. 00:09:48:28 00:09:52:40 Monsignor was on hunger strike in Quito and we camped overnight at the Alameda Park. 00:09:54:26 00:09:57:30 Then, I decided to start a fast, and... 00:09:57:44 00:10:02:24 if God helps me I ll be able to last until the end. 00:10:02:42 00:10:07:42 If Jesus spent 40 years fasting, sorry, 40 days 00:10:08:04 00:10:10:34 Just 40 days. 00:10:11:26 00:10:14:44 Why can t I last at least 39 days? 00:10:15:02 00:10:20:02 To avoid competing against someone who is hard to beat. 00:10:22:20 00:10:24:48 Nicolas is there, in his house. 00:10:27:42 00:10:32:42 They ve told us that we have to leave because we re bad people. 00:10:33:02 00:10:35:24 Well, it s a shame! 00:10:36:04 00:10:40:10 Then, they have let us come, one by one, but not all together. 00:10:40:24 00:10:44:18 Because in Lago Agrio, there are people who don t like us. 00:10:44:28 00:10:46:40 Catholic Charismatic Renewal 00:10:46:46 00:10:50:46 They used to work more in the social context, demanding water,going on strike & 00:10:51:00 00:10:52:22 than on evangelizing people. 00:10:52:26 00:10:55:00 Committee for supporting the Heralds of the Gospel. 00:10:55:04 00:10:56:32 They want a liberal Church. 00:10:56:34 00:10:59:46 They don t want a pyramidal Catholic apostolic roman Church. 00:10:59:48 00:11:04:02 People thought Heralds would be the solution& 00:11:04:22 00:11:10:26 and it has been wonderful, families have started to pray the Holly Rosary again. 00:11:11:12 00:11:13:18 People were surprised. 00:11:13:26 00:11:16:26 They asked: 'Father, why are you celebrating the mass again if you did it this morning?' 00:11:16:32 00:11:18:18 'Can I receive communion again? 00:11:18:22 00:11:19:28 Obviously. 00:11:19:32 00:11:22:40 Matthew 6 says: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites& 00:11:22:44 00:11:27:46 for they love to pray standing on the street corners to be seen by men. 00:11:28:30 00:11:32:18 That s what he s doing with his hunger strike. Besides, it s a fake hunger strike. 00:11:32:23 00:11:39:28 A 77-year-old man can t be more than 23 days without eating. 00:11:44:08 00:11:46:36 I have very high aspirations. 00:11:47:30 00:11:52:24 Some people may think that I should be dead after so many days fasting. 00:11:52:32 00:11:57:16 But I m as healthy as the first day or even better. 00:11:57:22 00:12:01:10 I ask the Holly Spirit to enlighten you to finish this. 00:12:01:16 00:12:03:06 You can t continue like this forever. 00:12:03:12 00:12:08:18 Peter told Jesus the same, and do you know what Jesus answered? 00:12:10:06 00:12:13:16 'Go away from me, Satan!' 00:12:17:18 00:12:22:10 I ve learned that humans are what their motivations are. 00:12:22:25 00:12:26:42 Age or personal situation doesn t matter. 00:12:27:02 00:12:30:04 If you have a great motivation& 00:12:30:18 00:12:34:40 this motivation will drive you along. 00:12:42:12 00:12:43:44 Jesuit theologian 00:12:43:48 00:12:47:40 I believe that the structure of the Church needs to be deeply reformed. 00:12:47:44 00:12:52:44 And I d like to quote the current Pope Benedict XVI, 00:12:53:02 00:12:57:00 When he was a cardinal, he said: 'The Church thinks a lot about itself... 00:12:57:06 00:12:58:30 and little about God.' 00:12:58:40 00:13:03:40 The ones who focus on the Church s structure are screwed. 00:13:04:20 00:13:09:02 The ones who focus all attention on Jesus get happier every day. 00:13:09:12 00:13:11:30 Do you understand? 00:13:11:36 00:13:13:10 Yes, it´s clear. 00:13:13:28 00:13:17:18 He asked a bishop:... 00:13:18:36 00:13:23:06 'Aren t you going to visit Mons Gonzalo?' 00:13:24:20 00:13:26:08 And that bishop said:... 00:13:26:18 00:13:28:42 'I would like to... 00:13:29:02 00:13:35:22 but we re not allowed to.' 00:13:37:48 00:13:39:40 Ecuadorian missionary 00:13:39:46 00:13:42:26 When I was in Spain... 00:13:42:30 00:13:46:34 I went to a mass and the bishop had two young men next to him. 00:13:46:40 00:13:50:02 One cleaned his sweat... 00:13:50:10 00:13:53:24 A bishop has to be with the people and help them. 00:13:53:32 00:13:56:08 He has to give, not to receive. 00:13:56:46 00:14:01:34 Whenever the Vatican says something, the rest of the Heralds and I will obey. 00:14:01:38 00:14:04:44 I wonder why someone may think& 00:14:05:18 00:14:10:18 that his approach is wiser and more mature than the Pope s. 00:14:10:26 00:14:16:16 When I was taking lessons in Germany, I attended Pope Benedict XVI talk. 00:14:17:18 00:14:19:36 He said firmly: 00:14:19:46 00:14:22:10 'How loves the Church more& ? 00:14:22:14 00:14:25:32 the ones who don t criticize it in order to advance their career& ? 00:14:25:40 00:14:30:26 or the ones who put their careers on the line to change their loving Church?' 00:15:02:12 00:15:04:32 Mayor of Lago Agrio 00:15:04:34 00:15:07:18 Before the city was built, there were indigenous ethnic groups. 00:15:07:22 00:15:10:02  Cofanes and  Quechuas were living here since many years ago. 00:15:10:06 00:15:15:06 It is a blessing that Ecuador has such a variety of ethnic groups. 00:15:15:20 00:15:18:44 And we should love them. 00:15:20:26 00:15:25:18 And give them opportunities to develop. 00:15:25:48 00:15:30:34 It s a people with a great history and now they are confronting& 00:15:30:38 00:15:34:08 a civilization that has not mercy on anyone. 00:15:34:24 00:15:40:48 I m the lawyer for the indigenous residents on the trial against Chevron -Texaco. 00:15:41:20 00:15:43:22 The land of the black pools 00:15:43:38 00:15:49:00 We ve achieve one of the most importantsentences in history. 00:15:49:06 00:15:54:06 Chevron Texaco was ordered to pay 9500 million dollars in compensation& 00:15:54:10 00:15:57:26 for the severe ecological damage that oil development caused in the area. 00:15:57:30 00:16:03:42 They used oil extraction methods that were forbidden in the US. 00:16:05:04 00:16:10:04 Now our Amazon region is seriously threaten, devastated, exhausted. 00:16:10:12 00:16:14:00 There are high concentrations of hydrocarbons in our rivers. 00:16:14:08 00:16:17:10 In this region, there is a very high risk of developing cancer. 00:16:17:14 00:16:21:02 Despite the amount money they are giving us, we won t recover. 00:16:21:18 00:16:25:12 Mons Gonzalo Lopez and the group of Carmelites& 00:16:25:16 00:16:28:44 arrived just at the beginning of the oil activities. 00:16:28:46 00:16:33:12 It was amazing, Carmelite missionaries... 00:16:33:21 00:16:38:21 took on the role of the Ecuadorian state stopping the abuse... 00:16:38:24 00:16:41:30 of the oil industry. 00:16:41:36 00:16:43:32 Assemblies were organised in the church. 00:16:43:34 00:16:46:28 We held our barricades all day long 00:16:46:30 00:16:49:46 and whenever the army came to evict us 00:16:49:48 00:16:54:10 we celebrated Mass in an oil camp. 00:16:54:38 00:16:59:34 And the military had to stand down. 00:16:59:38 00:17:02:36 For an indigenous people, the destruction of their environment& 00:17:02:40 00:17:06:16 by polluting their water and deforesting their rainforest& 00:17:06:32 00:17:09:14 entails the destruction of the people s souls. 00:17:09:22 00:17:11:48 That s why they call it  Mother Earth . 00:17:12:00 00:17:15:24 And nobody in their right mind& 00:17:15:28 00:17:18:46 would be able to kill their own mother. 00:17:19:02 00:17:21:28 Teacher at the indigenous school ABYA-YALA 00:17:21:30 00:17:23:44 They are the owners of this land... 00:17:24:02 00:17:29:02 And just because of the oil, they will be the first to go. 00:17:29:18 00:17:32:00 They told me, Monsignor, say something before we finish. 00:17:32:12 00:17:35:40 An Ecuadorian Minister and the oil industry officials were there. 00:17:35:44 00:17:40:44 I said:  In Ecuador, there is a film titled: Rats, mice and thieves. 00:17:41:08 00:17:45:10 The Government Minister stood up and said:  This is not an appropriate language. 00:17:45:14 00:17:47:32 I told him:  Wait a second Mr Minister. 00:17:47:36 00:17:50:16  What I am saying is that I don want us to end like that... 00:17:50:20 00:17:54:10 As rats, mice or thieves.' 00:17:54:32 00:17:59:32 A year ago, we asked Ecuadorian bishops to sign a letter& 00:17:59:38 00:18:03:12 addressing the bishops in the US... 00:18:03:26 00:18:07:30 telling them what the oil companies had done here. 00:18:07:34 00:18:13:24 Mons Gonzalo was the only bishop who signed the letter. 00:18:13:32 00:18:15:46 Surprisingly, the letter was sent in September& 00:18:16:00 00:18:19:04 and a month later, 00:18:19:06 00:18:21:24 Mons Gonzalo received his notice of termination. 00:18:21:30 00:18:26:38 I cannot be sure that the companies have something to do with the dismissal. 00:18:27:14 00:18:29:26 However, there are many things that make us suspect it. 00:18:29:40 00:18:35:18 Chevron-Texaco knows that church of  Sucumbios ... 00:18:36:28 00:18:38:42 is siding with the plaintiffs. 00:18:39:08 00:18:41:04 Jesuit theologian 00:18:41:14 00:18:44:46 There are protests and pressure. 00:18:45:06 00:18:48:38 The case I know best is that of Monsignor Romero of El Salvador. 00:18:48:48 00:18:52:12 Countless Sundays, immediately after the mass... 00:18:52:20 00:18:57:02 the Department of State of the Vatican would receive a complaint. 00:18:57:08 00:19:00:28 Although it s small, the Vatican is a political state. 00:19:00:32 00:19:02:22 These pressures have a lot of influence. 00:19:02:24 00:19:07:06 The right wing always keeps an ace up their sleeve for whenever they fail. 00:19:07:12 00:19:10:46 They hired a sniper who killed him. 00:19:11:02 00:19:16:06 While he was saying mass, he was shot with a sniper rifle. 00:19:16:48 00:19:19:06 UNHCR's office. United Nations. 00:19:19:12 00:19:21:44 I don t know if that is the Vatican motivation. 00:19:21:48 00:19:26:10 But, it is obvious that after the arrival of the Heralds 00:19:26:16 00:19:32:04 the Catholic Church did not have the same role in defense of the population. 00:19:33:00 00:19:37:40 Do they have financial or economic support? 00:19:38:00 00:19:41:42 They should have been, because in Rome they need to live off something. 00:19:42:10 00:19:46:20 You didn t mention the group that has given most money to the Vatican. 00:19:46:26 00:19:48:30 That is the Legionaries of Christ. 00:19:48:44 00:19:51:38 After all that happened with their founder& 00:19:51:42 00:19:56:42 That man was accused of sexual abuse by members of his order. 00:19:57:10 00:20:00:32 Later on, it emerged that he had two daughters. 00:20:00:47 00:20:05:02 Pope John Paul II once said that this man was a model for the youth. 00:20:05:22 00:20:09:48 That people may have great intentions but deep down something is wrong. 00:20:10:06 00:20:14:14 It is said that they are paying off the Vatican... 00:20:14:23 00:20:17:10 to avoid the elimination of the congregation. 00:20:17:16 00:20:19:14 Deputy oil minister 00:20:19:22 00:20:22:04 Spritual issues do not bother the Vatican much. 00:20:22:12 00:20:26:20 What really bothers them is priests that challenge their power. 00:20:26:34 00:20:29:02 Founder of the Tradition ,Family, and property movement. 00:20:29:10 00:20:32:10 Is TFP afraid of communism in Brazil? 00:20:32:22 00:20:34:16 No, they don t perceive it as dangerous. 00:20:34:32 00:20:38:22 What really scares the TFP is the so called  Catholic left . 00:20:38:34 00:20:40:28 What s this? 00:20:40:32 00:20:42:34 They re left-wing catholic people. 00:20:42:42 00:20:47:42 Dr Plinio was a Catholic statesman, a member of parliament, a fighter. 00:20:48:04 00:20:51:42 And he's deeply admired by us. 00:20:52:06 00:20:56:00 I've written about the movement Tradition, Family and Property. 00:20:56:16 00:20:58:38 and I used to say with an emphasis on the last word. 00:20:58:48 00:21:02:02 They may have a Catholic or religious hat... 00:21:02:06 00:21:05:48 but the Tea Party, Family, Tradition and Poperty and Heralds of the Gospel... 00:21:06:02 00:21:09:28 are the same thing and the gospel they preach is not about Jesus's... 00:21:09:34 00:21:12:10 It's about private property. 00:21:18:48 00:21:23:02 They don t realize how many good things the Carmelites did, 00:21:23:04 00:21:28:04 everything that has been achieved thanks to the struggles that took place. 00:21:30:20 00:21:31:48 Catholic Charismatic Renewal 00:21:32:00 00:21:34:44 The priest used to say that miracles doesn't exist. 00:21:35:00 00:21:40:00 We need the attitude: lets go out to the street, lets fight, 00:21:40:04 00:21:41:32 we have to act. 00:21:41:38 00:21:47:34 Now, the spirituality authors are very careful with miracles. 00:21:48:02 00:21:50:44 I witnessed it when my son suffered with measles. 00:21:51:04 00:21:55:38 I didn't want to waste time going to the hospital... 00:21:55:44 00:21:58:22 because my son was dying. 00:21:58:28 00:22:03:42 I put the child on the bed, prayed and entered into ecstasy. 00:22:05:12 00:22:07:44 After two hours I regained consciousness... 00:22:08:06 00:22:09:40 I looked at him... 00:22:09:44 00:22:11:36 and he was breathing camly. 00:22:11:40 00:22:13:48 My child was cured. 00:22:14:02 00:22:18:32 We don't know all our brain capacities. 00:22:18:36 00:22:21:34 What medicine calls placebos is something very serious. 00:22:21:44 00:22:25:04 A miracle happens when someone is able to forgive his enemy. 00:22:25:08 00:22:28:22 It's said that there are other miracles, but... 00:22:28:36 00:22:31:22 It is not an Article of Faith. 00:22:32:00 00:22:37:42 God only acts through our freedom, and he has submitted to it. 00:22:37:48 00:22:40:20 If God is an absolute power, 00:22:40:24 00:22:42:48 and we are nothing but the go-between of his power... 00:22:43:08 00:22:47:04 we could have the people absolutely submitted. 00:22:47:27 00:22:50:08 What kind of Church do you favour? 00:22:50:12 00:22:54:18 'Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven' 00:22:54:20 00:22:58:14 - It is not talking about material poverty. - Are you sure? 00:22:58:22 00:23:03:22 No, because if you have Christ in your heart you will feel sorry for the poor. 00:23:03:28 00:23:08:28 And you can help him, without having the Church exclusively focused on them. 00:23:08:32 00:23:13:12 We do that. As Mother Teresa of Calcutta did, and everyone does... 00:23:13:20 00:23:17:40 ...-If everyone did it, we would be living in a wonderful world. 00:23:17:44 00:23:20:28 - Do not interrupt me. 00:23:20:30 00:23:23:00 -But, let me finish or I ll lose the thought. 00:23:23:06 00:23:24:40 Christians seek God. 00:23:24:44 00:23:29:00 Their ideas of a Marxist liberation Church... 00:23:29:40 00:23:32:42 did not let them see beyond the material good. 00:23:33:16 00:23:37:12 The New Testament says that the real message is to love our brothers. 00:23:37:16 00:23:40:18 You can ´t split your time: "Some time for God and some time to the neighbor" 00:23:40:20 00:23:42:20 That is a fake Christianity. 00:23:42:40 00:23:46:30 The disciples of John the Baptist asked Jesus:... 00:23:46:40 00:23:50:18 'Are you the one who is coming?... 00:23:50:24 00:23:52:18 Or we are waiting for somebody else?' 00:23:52:26 00:23:54:10 'Go back and tell John:... 00:23:54:46 00:23:57:20 The blind see, 00:23:58:14 00:24:00:34 the lame walk, 00:24:01:06 00:24:03:08 the deaf hear, 00:24:03:34 00:24:09:18 and the good news is preached to the poor." 00:24:10:04 00:24:14:24 If you ask me what is the Teology of Liberation, I would say: 00:24:14:34 00:24:16:34 This is it. 00:24:16:40 00:24:20:02 Poverty is a sign of God's damnation, 00:24:20:09 00:24:22:08 it's not a blessing. 00:24:22:16 00:24:23:48 Please think a moment 00:24:24:02 00:24:27:28 What would have happened to the great Mozart...? 00:24:27:32 00:24:29:26 if his parents had been poor. 00:24:30:08 00:24:33:18 It's said that the rich are born rich because of God s will. 00:24:33:22 00:24:37:26 And the poor are poor so they can earn their place in heaven by suffering. 00:24:37:28 00:24:39:30 That's not true, it's a distortion. 00:24:39:40 00:24:43:24 This has been secularized and capitalism and neoliberal religion... 00:24:43:28 00:24:45:28 say that the poor are poor because of themselves. 00:24:45:42 00:24:47:48 President of the Episcopal Conference 00:24:48:04 00:24:51:10 In Latin America, the most worrying Liberation Theology... 00:24:51:14 00:24:56:30 was this tendency to see the faith with a social dimension... 00:24:56:36 00:25:00:16 almost exclusive of all other dimensions. 00:25:00:20 00:25:03:00 It used Marxist philosophy... 00:25:03:04 00:25:06:40 to interpret the history of the society. 00:25:07:34 00:25:10:42 Many problems arose from this. 00:25:10:46 00:25:14:48 Thanks God, they are being solved and purged. 00:25:15:04 00:25:17:26 Engels, who was Marx's friends, used to say... 00:25:17:32 00:25:20:22 that thinking from a cottage is not the same as thinking from a palace. 00:25:20:26 00:25:23:16 The Vatican doesn´t realize but they think from a palace 00:25:23:20 00:25:25:26 and they can't understand. 00:25:25:32 00:25:29:32 Capitalism is an inherently unjust and inhumane system. 00:25:29:40 00:25:34:04 Distribution of wealth in the world is unfair. 00:25:34:14 00:25:36:30 What the Church have to say is:... 00:25:36:34 00:25:40:02 This situation of injustice is not God s will. 00:25:40:10 00:25:45:48 Jesus Christ didn't come just to make us pray. Although we must pray. 00:25:46:02 00:25:48:40 He came to tell us that this world can change. 00:25:48:48 00:25:51:20 And do you know what happened in Sucumbios? 00:25:51:30 00:25:55:34 Many people who were subjugated in different ways... 00:25:55:38 00:25:57:36 finally raised their heads. 00:25:58:30 00:26:02:24 Our father has been a good bishop. 00:26:02:46 00:26:07:24 And we keep this precedent for new fathers to come... 00:26:07:48 00:26:09:44 we have to analyse them. 00:26:09:48 00:26:15:12 If they carry work the same way as Mons and the Carmelites we ll welcome them. 00:26:16:06 00:26:20:44 If not, we'll be sorry, it happened once and... 00:26:22:36 00:26:26:46 we don't want it to happen again. 00:26:35:32 00:26:40:45 It is a town in the jungle that manage to won a trial... 00:26:41:02 00:26:45:26 against the largest oil company in the world, TEXACO-CHEVRON 00:26:45:38 00:26:50:38 And now it's a town that has convinced the Vatican to change its position. 00:26:51:06 00:26:56:06 With a people like that we can be very optimistic. 00:26:56:18 00:26:59:08 I don´t say good bye to the people of Sucumbios. 00:26:59:12 00:27:01:24 I know I won't be here... 00:27:01:38 00:27:05:00 but wherever I go, they will always be with me. 00:27:05:06 00:27:08:06 And wherever they are, I will be there. 00:27:08:14 00:27:12:26 You will probably remember that group of black people who were living in the street... 00:27:12:32 00:27:16:44 And you gave them a house to live in. Thank you very much. 00:27:17:00 00:27:22:00 We'd like to thank him the great work he did for the indigenous people. 00:27:22:12 00:27:25:18 The work you did in the province for the women. 00:27:25:24 00:27:29:14 And wherever you live, you'll live in our hearts... 00:27:29:18 00:27:32:38 ...and in our work that we know how to carry it forward 00:27:32:42 00:27:35:08 God bless you always. 00:27:35:12 00:27:37:32 We have lived with a prophet... 00:27:37:36 00:27:40:16 and a family father. 00:27:40:20 00:27:44:38 In the end, good deeds remain 00:27:44:42 00:27:47:02 People go 00:27:47:06 00:27:49:48 Life goes on. 00:27:50:24 00:27:54:12 My diagnosis of the current Church is that they are afraid of Jesus. 00:27:54:24 00:27:57:12 Not afraid of Marxism, that's not it. 00:27:57:14 00:27:58:14 They're afraid of Jesus. 00:27:58:24 00:28:04:28 We have reached an agreement with Rome with which we all benefit. 00:28:04:30 00:28:08:24 This Jesus Christ, the Galileo, is finished thanks to our patience. 00:28:09:04 00:28:12:30 Historically, the characters don't change much. 00:28:12:42 00:28:17:12 The underlying issues are always the same. 00:28:17:30 00:28:21:36 If Jesus were to return today, we would crucify him again. 00:28:24:28 00:28:26:48 Well, let's see what happens. 00:28:27:02 00:28:29:28 Because sometimes it seems it is going bad... 00:28:29:32 00:28:32:30 but it turns out good in the end. 00:28:34:10 00:28:37:08 Don't be so sad. 00:28:37:14 00:28:41:34 Goodbye daddy, good luck, don't forget us. 00:28:41:40 00:28:43:22 No, I won't forget. 00:28:43:26 00:28:46:38 If you give me Mr Arturo's telephone number, I'll call you. 00:28:58:12 00:29:02:24 Where I used to work, there was a sentence on the wall: 00:29:02:44 00:29:08:16 'In the evening, we shall be judged on love' 00:29:08:30 00:29:11:48 And that's the key point. 00:29:14:28 00:29:21:10 After the departure of Carmelites and Heralds, the Vatican sent a bishop to mediate, but the church remains divided at Sucumbios. 00:29:21:16 00:29:26:44 Mons came back to Spain. Altough he is 79 years old, he is getting ready to go on a new mission to Africa.